Comments on: teaching with technology http://www.tmttlt.com/2007/06/10/teaching-with-technology/ All those topics that i wish i had time to pursue more earnestly. Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:40:54 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: jeremy http://www.tmttlt.com/2007/06/10/teaching-with-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-328 jeremy Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:46:48 +0000 http://www.tmttlt.com/archives/2007/06/10/5652/#comment-328 yes, it was only about 'teaching with' as opposed to 'learning through' it is the 'with teachers' that is my point of critique. yes, it was only about ‘teaching with’ as opposed to ‘learning through’ it is the ‘with teachers’ that is my point of critique.

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By: jason http://www.tmttlt.com/2007/06/10/teaching-with-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-327 jason Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:42:44 +0000 http://www.tmttlt.com/archives/2007/06/10/5652/#comment-327 Oh, so this was just about "bring" as a part of speech? K. Well sometimes the tools are elsewhere and we have to bring them down the hall to the class. And sometimes they've never been in a class, so they must be brought in. And that can be physical and conceptual. Tools are part of an environment, but that doesn't make them everywhere at all times. There's always a moment for the new or the relocalization of the old. Glad we all agree on that. Oh, so this was just about “bring” as a part of speech? K. Well sometimes the tools are elsewhere and we have to bring them down the hall to the class. And sometimes they’ve never been in a class, so they must be brought in. And that can be physical and conceptual. Tools are part of an environment, but that doesn’t make them everywhere at all times. There’s always a moment for the new or the relocalization of the old. Glad we all agree on that.

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By: Rochelle http://www.tmttlt.com/2007/06/10/teaching-with-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-326 Rochelle Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:39:34 +0000 http://www.tmttlt.com/archives/2007/06/10/5652/#comment-326 I'm glad we cleared that up, then. :P I’m glad we cleared that up, then. :P

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By: Rochelle http://www.tmttlt.com/2007/06/10/teaching-with-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-325 Rochelle Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:38:48 +0000 http://www.tmttlt.com/archives/2007/06/10/5652/#comment-325 Jeremy's milkshake brings all the pedagogues to his yard! :P Jeremy’s milkshake brings all the pedagogues to his yard! :P

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By: jeremy http://www.tmttlt.com/2007/06/10/teaching-with-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-324 jeremy Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:38:31 +0000 http://www.tmttlt.com/archives/2007/06/10/5652/#comment-324 tools are part of the environment was precisely what i was saying, they aren't something we bring in, and if we do bring them in, we shouldn't bring them in as centered on the teaching, but centered on the learning. tools are part of the environment was precisely what i was saying, they aren’t something we bring in, and if we do bring them in, we shouldn’t bring them in as centered on the teaching, but centered on the learning.

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By: Rochelle http://www.tmttlt.com/2007/06/10/teaching-with-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-323 Rochelle Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:33:08 +0000 http://www.tmttlt.com/archives/2007/06/10/5652/#comment-323 Well that's a different question; "teaching with technology" or, to employ Jason's better term, "technology infused curriculum", is focusing particularly on using technology as part of the piece that is in the power of the teacher, and is expected by society at large to remain in the power of the teacher (for good or for ill). Student action isn't unrelated by any means, but linking that experience and process to what is meant by "teaching" and "curriculum" is clouding the actual power relations inside a classroom. To suggest that instructors do not have significant power over every aspect of classrom interaction is, I'd suggest, dangerous. That power relationship should not be obscured lest instructors forget to check their culturally-mandated privilege. Even excellent instructors who distribute and relinquish power as part of their teaching retain some element of it; for that reason, I think there's some value in still focusing on the pieces that instructors are bringing into the classroom and how they're delivering those pieces. Well that’s a different question; “teaching with technology” or, to employ Jason’s better term, “technology infused curriculum”, is focusing particularly on using technology as part of the piece that is in the power of the teacher, and is expected by society at large to remain in the power of the teacher (for good or for ill). Student action isn’t unrelated by any means, but linking that experience and process to what is meant by “teaching” and “curriculum” is clouding the actual power relations inside a classroom.

To suggest that instructors do not have significant power over every aspect of classrom interaction is, I’d suggest, dangerous. That power relationship should not be obscured lest instructors forget to check their culturally-mandated privilege. Even excellent instructors who distribute and relinquish power as part of their teaching retain some element of it; for that reason, I think there’s some value in still focusing on the pieces that instructors are bringing into the classroom and how they’re delivering those pieces.

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By: jason http://www.tmttlt.com/2007/06/10/teaching-with-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-322 jason Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:20:39 +0000 http://www.tmttlt.com/archives/2007/06/10/5652/#comment-322 " it is already there, the students are already learning through it, so… what are we doing teaching with it? alienating the concept at best." I think you ned to unpack that. It is often NOT there, students often learn in opposition or despite it, or are hampered by it. That's what causes the confusion of "what are we doing teaching with it?" We are engaged in learning environments... tools are part of those environments. They can be used well or poorly, thoughtfully or thoughtlessly, wisely or foolishly. In the end, the technologies and their application are not nearly as important as how the learning environment is negotiated between the learners and the educator. ” it is already there, the students are already learning through it, so… what are we doing teaching with it? alienating the concept at best.”

I think you ned to unpack that. It is often NOT there, students often learn in opposition or despite it, or are hampered by it. That’s what causes the confusion of “what are we doing teaching with it?”

We are engaged in learning environments… tools are part of those environments. They can be used well or poorly, thoughtfully or thoughtlessly, wisely or foolishly. In the end, the technologies and their application are not nearly as important as how the learning environment is negotiated between the learners and the educator.

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By: jason http://www.tmttlt.com/2007/06/10/teaching-with-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-321 jason Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:17:16 +0000 http://www.tmttlt.com/archives/2007/06/10/5652/#comment-321 "well teaching and the modes of teaching is a technology as is every object in the classroom, the question was whether the technology goes ‘with’ teaching, or whether like books, technology is part of the organic whole of learning." That sort of organistic reductionism doesn't help the issue much; "It's all part of everything, and it's all twisty..." But I think we agree on this... The key is of course 'appropriate' technology, the critical integration of technology into learning environments, and the use of student-centred learning tools and pedagogies; i.e. what Rochelle says. “well teaching and the modes of teaching is a technology as is every object in the classroom, the question was whether the technology goes ‘with’ teaching, or whether like books, technology is part of the organic whole of learning.”

That sort of organistic reductionism doesn’t help the issue much; “It’s all part of everything, and it’s all twisty…” But I think we agree on this…

The key is of course ‘appropriate’ technology, the critical integration of technology into learning environments, and the use of student-centred learning tools and pedagogies; i.e. what Rochelle says.

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By: jeremy http://www.tmttlt.com/2007/06/10/teaching-with-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-320 jeremy Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:12:07 +0000 http://www.tmttlt.com/archives/2007/06/10/5652/#comment-320 there is no mandate to use anything, and if you prefer the wizard of oz model of teaching... watching the teacher provide the goodies and controlling things behind the scenes, kids consuming the goodies and being subjected to the teacher, that's fine. I think students already use technology everyday, i think teachers use it everyday, i do not think that it should be rhetorically constructed as a 'with', because it no longer is something you 'bring in'. it is already there, the students are already learning through it, so... what are we doing teaching with it? alienating the concept at best. there is no mandate to use anything, and if you prefer the wizard of oz model of teaching… watching the teacher provide the goodies and controlling things behind the scenes, kids consuming the goodies and being subjected to the teacher, that’s fine. I think students already use technology everyday, i think teachers use it everyday, i do not think that it should be rhetorically constructed as a ‘with’, because it no longer is something you ‘bring in’. it is already there, the students are already learning through it, so… what are we doing teaching with it? alienating the concept at best.

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By: Rochelle http://www.tmttlt.com/2007/06/10/teaching-with-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-319 Rochelle Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:00:44 +0000 http://www.tmttlt.com/archives/2007/06/10/5652/#comment-319 Books: great technology. :P While an instructor can bring content/ideas/technologies of any variety to bear on a particular classroom experience, can you really say that the instructor can mandate that the learning moments of students will necessarily happen with technology? Teaching with technology at least locates the power of the instructor exactly where it sits; in the teaching, communication of ideas, inthe structure of the curriciulum itself, in their own actions and decisions. The learning happens with the students (at least, the learning we're referring to in this context). Instructors don't have power over students' internal processes in the same way that they have power over their own (much as many instructors would like to imagine otherwise), and I think the distinction is important to point out. While I agree with Jason that privileging internet technology as some sort of radically different tool (digital expectionalism, anyone?) is unhelpful, I'd argue that it's important to remember the distributed power within a classroom and acknowledge that an instructor can bring content, tools, ideas, enthusiasm, etc., but they cannot mandate or organize precisely how learning will happen. Books: great technology. :P

While an instructor can bring content/ideas/technologies of any variety to bear on a particular classroom experience, can you really say that the instructor can mandate that the learning moments of students will necessarily happen with technology?

Teaching with technology at least locates the power of the instructor exactly where it sits; in the teaching, communication of ideas, inthe structure of the curriciulum itself, in their own actions and decisions. The learning happens with the students (at least, the learning we’re referring to in this context). Instructors don’t have power over students’ internal processes in the same way that they have power over their own (much as many instructors would like to imagine otherwise), and I think the distinction is important to point out. While I agree with Jason that privileging internet technology as some sort of radically different tool (digital expectionalism, anyone?) is unhelpful, I’d argue that it’s important to remember the distributed power within a classroom and acknowledge that an instructor can bring content, tools, ideas, enthusiasm, etc., but they cannot mandate or organize precisely how learning will happen.

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